i just had the question below reported by jws and removed for "misuse of question format" .. .
it received a bunch of outraged reponses from people critical of the jws and i'm sure shocked.
a few jws also .. .
"The 2 things this bat-shit crazy cult hates the most is masturbating and beards." And Opposers make three...giving me a full house.
"I have never EVER heard of this ridiculous way to calm or quiet a baby." Likewise, hence my reference to sick minds...
i just had the question below reported by jws and removed for "misuse of question format" .. .
it received a bunch of outraged reponses from people critical of the jws and i'm sure shocked.
a few jws also .. .
and a cracking good question it was - that its possible one of the most messed up statements I have ever reead - what sick minds think this stuff up
it's been about 5 weeks, since my sister sent me the email telling me she no longer wants to communicate with me (at this time).. i was never a jw, so i am not going to agree to those crazy terms.
i explained to her that she can do what she wants, but i will continue to be kind, and that i forgive her cruel treatment toward me.. i have given her some space, and i feel like i am ready to send her another note.
instead of bringing up any hard feelings of today, i was going to share some memories that i have of our early, pre-jw days.
I agree - it is a lovely letter which should strike a cord with her - I wonder though whether you want to put more emphasis on her kind-heartedness and less on her cuteness as she may take this as a bit condescending if she thinks you do not take her and her beliefs seriously -- just a thought but I think the overall tone and intent are perfect by seeking to get through to her on a loving emotional basis - Good work and good luck
i have not been a sister for the past 19 years, i asked to be da'd as i had started smoking aged 12 and at 19 no longer wanted people to think badly of the jw's over my conduct.. for 19 years my father, an elder, has tried his damndest to bring me back.
he kept contact sometimes more, sometimes less, always under the threat to stop the contact alltogether.
at one point he managed to not speak to me for several months.
oh so your sister-in-law is the UBM - still good grounds for you to work with her and she should understand the need for discretion though she will ahve more influence over your brother but it may be a matter of one at a time so work on him first. Steve Hassan talks about forming alliances with family members to develop strategies to influence cult family members. Still if he has been reinstated he will be more zealous than before and perhaps more difficult to get through to as he will be terrified of getting df'd again.
i have not been a sister for the past 19 years, i asked to be da'd as i had started smoking aged 12 and at 19 no longer wanted people to think badly of the jw's over my conduct.. for 19 years my father, an elder, has tried his damndest to bring me back.
he kept contact sometimes more, sometimes less, always under the threat to stop the contact alltogether.
at one point he managed to not speak to me for several months.
It seems to me that you should see your step mother as an allie and try to quietloy without yoru father knowing develop a common strategy to draw your father and your brother away from the cult. I am sure she would be very happy if you approached her in this way as I am sure she is just as frustrated with your father's membership of the cult as you are. If you both show him unconditional love in contrast to the conditional love he displays, it might get him thinking. I am a firecely opposing unbelieving mate so I know how difficult it is even though communication is allowed.
As others have said - you should not treat this latest statement that he needs to cut you off as final - he will be back - you are his daughter and he loves you, cult indoctrination notwithstanding. Good luck
as an actively inactive person who attends meetings pretty regularly, i have made an observation that would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.. between the watchtower study and the weekly bible study ( which is actually a book study, but don't tell anyone) i have noticed the witnesses being urged to have love among themselves and reach out to nes who may be weaker or having difficulties.
so, within the next week or two there is a general warming-up toward me, a friendly phone call from my assigned field service group overseer, a hike across the auditorium by the coboe to ask how i'm doing, etc.. then comes the wt article, now and then, that mentions how dangerous bad associations can be, even from among those in the congregation!
(gasp!
Truly scizophrenic - and it wouldn't occur to any of them that they are engaging in inconsistent conduct because they let the organisation do the thinking for them
everytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.
each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.
the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.
Use of free will and choice language by Witnesses is classic Orwellian double speak.
palestine and israel sign formal treaty, ending a state of war after 65 years; mahmoud abbas .
and netanyahu praise kerrys role.
ceremony is festive .
metatron - Israel already is an apartheid state but they used the fiction of not incorporating the occupied territories as part of Israel because that would mean over time it would become a Palestianin state. US support stops them from being subject to proper sanctions for human rights abuses. They will never incorpoate the Occupied Terrioties so it sutis them to talk of a future Palestinian state in West Bank and Gaza and I think the Palestinains have finally worked out that to accept this on Israeli terms is not in their interests so this impasse is likley to persist for a long time.
Fisherman - why should the Palestinians accept the Zionist theft of their land and remain consigned to overcrowding and misery in the areas left to them in Gaza and the West Bank? The Zionist used terrorism against the British to intimidate them into allowing increased Zionist migration and then to drive the Brits out and then occupy Palestinian land. Forgiveness to the state of Israel for historical injustice and the ongoing treatment by allowing the orthodox to occupy more Palestinian land is a big ask.
last night my third oldest child wanted to know why we stayed in the organization so long.
child is a third year college student enjoying all the classes this "wicked system" has to offer, the insatiable appetite for learning makes him want to argue and debate, i don't have the energy to debate because i don't feel good with all life has thrown our way.. .
"the only reason i went to meetings so long was because grandma and grandpa needed somebody to take them to meetings and cobe aunt and uncle and secretary aunt and uncle refused to talk to grandma for years, otherwise i would have stopped attending the kingdom hall because the kids were assholes and i was always the one who had to make "first contact", "i was the one who had to go around and meet and greet newbies while the regular jw wall-flowers (calebs) ignored all the visitors and new persons visiting our kingdom hall.
I don't agree with yadda yadda 2. I agree with others who said you say sorry and explain how the organisation has developed over 100 + years very effective techniques based on fear, guilt and shame to manipulate and mislead people into staying in - it sounds like you were a born-in so this was stuck in your sub-conscious before you were old enough to critically evaluate it. You are a victim as muchas your son and as others have said you should find common cause with him on that. Subtly letting him know you are angry with the WBTS for their lies and manipulation may help. When I get frustrated with my wife I have to remind myself she is a victim of psychological manipulation by an evil organisation well-practised in this technique. I do agree though that you should not beat yourself up about it particualrly as you are one of the few to see through the BS and free your mind. Take care
palestine and israel sign formal treaty, ending a state of war after 65 years; mahmoud abbas .
and netanyahu praise kerrys role.
ceremony is festive .
So metatron you don't subscribe to scotoma's views about looking in the Bible for signs of alien messages and that a peace treaty between Israel and Paletine followed by a sharp reversal would fulfil a Biblical prophecy inspired by aliens? I don't have a problem with the idea that there is a demographic imperative forcing Israel to have to deal with the prospect that if they give the Palestinians full democratic rights they will be the minority in a Palestian state and so they may find some way to create a Palestinian state in the West Bank to go with the Gaza Strip Palestianin state. The problem is that the Palestnian leadership (whoever they may be as I doubt the West Bank Palestinians would recognise Abbas as their leader) may be loathe to agree to that given the economic failure of the Gaza Palestinian state and serious unresolved and potential unresolvable issues such as settlements and the status of Jerusalem. The US is still a long way from taking a tough line with the Israeli government such that they would propose a peace arrangement with a prospect of long-term success. The problem remains that the Israelis are such control freaks that they have never been willing to make the sorts of concessions that would result in a lasting and satisfactory peace deal.
